My sense of the supernatural is a personal one. I think that to have a testimony of anything at all one must rely on a sort of private gnosis. Even people who aim to be hyper logical have to base their logic on some axioms that seem fitting. That choice of axioms goes back to a private sense of what is true and what is not. Now certainly there are axioms which are more useful. If a person starts from the premises that a spherical earth, the gradual warming of the planet, and common descent are hoaxes they are likely to reach conclusions that I would find equal false as they would find mine. If it comes from a position of biblical inerrancy I will have a hard time suspending my disbelief for the sake of argument. But I am just as resistant to the notion that human beings are entirely rational creatures. I think there is more to intelligence than brain chemistry, and I think there are higher orders of intelligence than the minds of mortal men and women. It is fairly easy to conceive of intelligence greater than mine, and I pity the person who can’t conceive of a more truth knowing being than we are.
The argument goes that if you are walking on a beach and discover a watch you are almost certainly correct that the watch was designed. It is intuitive that there is a Watchmaker. This is not I will admit hard and fast proof that there must be a designer, but it seems to me to be a reasonable conclusion. I sense that the argument is correct. It’s that private gnosis that leads me there. I know that there are perfectly rational people that conclude otherwise, but I still think they do so at the base of the same kind of personal preference.
The watchmaker argument is to me the most compelling example of an indication of a universal designer. And as far as it goes it’s much harder to prove that negation of such a nebulous intelligence. It’s a fall back position for me. If someone argues convincingly to that the LDS version of God is flawed or more often that the traditional Christian version of God presents contradictions, I am comfortable retreating to what is sometimes called the philosophers God. This conception of a watchmaker or a supreme designer and intelligence seems much more unassailable in my mind.
BUT, I will admit that even an argument for supreme universal designer has flaws that go undiscussed. The biggest of those is a basis for comparison. It is rational to believe the watch is designed. It is less rational to believe that the watch ended up on the beach on purpose. And it is in my opinion very silly to conclude that since the watch is designed that the sand is also designed. We rightly intuit design in the watch because we have a basis for comparison. The sand provides that basis. The sand is random and chaotic. The sand is in stark contrast to the design of the watch. So if we want to discover a universal designer we must have something undesigned to compare.
This sort of designer could not be an all powerful one. If there is chaos in the system which I intuit and argue that there is, then the designer is not sovereign over it. If we are designers ourselves which I think we are, then we are tapping into those gaps that a universal designer leaves open. Chaos and randomness are preconditions of independent will. It’s argued that everything is fixed down to the last quark and that we couldn’t be anything other than what the universe determines we are. I think that is mistaken and that our minds and wills move through those gaps. I call that private gnosis and I think you can experience it and move through those gaps too.
21 responses to “Discovering The Watchmaker”
It seems like you are trying to rationalize gnosis, which seems like it shouldn’t be necessary.
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Rationalizing a belief in God that is irrational.
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I don’t think believing in God is rational or irrational. I think gnosis is outside of reason. I think having gnosis negates the need to reason.
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Reason is what people do in the absence of gnosis.
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Reason is something we must do alongside gnosis. Two wings of the same bird.
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Reason is how we decide how to fill in the gaps left by gnosis. Pondering is how we recognize the difference between what we know and what we think.
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Maybe, but I think it’s the other way around. Reason is the acceptance of hard realities and gnosis is the thing that swims in between that hard acceptance.
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Reason is familiar and comfortable because it is a conversation you have with yourself. Your ability to reason is limited by your ability to acquire and process information. Gnosis doesn’t come from the product of your thoughts. It is a gift that comes from outside yourself when you are willing to receive it.
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So you think gnosis is the gaps themselves and will or mind chooses between the two?
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No. I think gnosis is divinely revealed truth and reason is a pale imitation that tries to piece together what we don’t know based on our imperfect observations and our imperfect interpretations of what those observations mean.
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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei, Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina
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Nor did I suggest that is Their intention. The veil makes reason absolutely necessary. But reason combined with faith prepares you for gnosis. If we had no veil, we would have no choice, because we would know what the best choice was without having to reason or ponder.
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“I had seen a vision. I knew it, God knew that I knew it, and I could not deny it.”
It was as compelling for Joseph Smith as it is for me.
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Exactly. We know what the Divine tells us and when we know we know. But even when God is more expansive than He has been with you, there is always much that is unrevealed. Therefore, we ponder what we know and reason on what we can extrapolate from that knowing. And most people start with very little knowing, so they have to reason out a great deal. That takes effort, which some of us are unable or unwilling to apply. In place of reason, most people simply accept the worldview they are given and wriggle around inside it until they feel more or less comfortable and get on with things as best they can. They don’t create the change they want to see because they have no idea that they can. This world uses all kinds. Those with gnosis live alongside those devoted to reason, and both are overwhelmed by people who are ready to follow a leader that resonates with them, which seems like the wolf more often than the shepherd. Prophets lead the sheep. Mystics wake them up. Both involves gnosis. Both is work worth doing. It’s just not the same work.
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Most of the people who use the Watchmaker argument find it comforting not essential. That is the case with me. Unsurprising those who aren’t disposed to believe in a creator aren’t moved by the argument because they want definitive proof not comfort.
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Personally, I don’t really “get” the Watchmaker argument. When a human being compares a watch to a grain of sand, they know the watch is made because it is something they can understand needing to be made. Sand is just there. For the man, it always has been. Nonetheless, the sand was made and where we see chaos in the sand, the Divinity that made it sees its order. If this universe were a marble, a Creator would know it was made. But that doesn’t mean that the elements of the marble would know so.
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I’d say that’s the traditional line of thinking. I think it ruins the argument. But if you don’t like the argument then that might be good in your opinion. If we do not have the truth it ought to be harmed.
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Like I said, I don’t “get” the argument. I don’t understand the appeal. God revealed Himself to me long before I had to go looking for Him. I don’t remember what it feels like to not know He exists. I’ve never tried to reason whether God exists, because I know He does.
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I don’t have that experience. I have a strong sense that the cosmos is more than matter and energy. But as I said in the original post I sometimes see decent arguments that the LDS and traditional Christian views of God are unlikely. Even my visions are quiet assurance that there is meaning beyond my material needs but not a pillar of light with Jesus in it. Animos and Gnosis are companions on the journey but not the purpose of it. I ask myself where am I going, and the answer when I have one is towards more intelligence and perfection. But what it’s not is some definitive mission to return to the arms of God. A creator and judge seems likely to me but a general sense of the reality of the divine is much more compelling that any particular creator or judge.
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I would call the area outside of reason irrational. But that is just a semantic argument rather than a substantial one.
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I see irrational as faulty reasoning,not as something that does not require reason.
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